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In this episode, Nicole Borghi shares her expertise on harnessing the power of virtual reality summits. She discusses strategies for crafting virtual summits, maximizing sponsorships, and generating revenue. Nicole emphasizes the importance of collaboration and uniqueness in the business world and highlights the benefits of utilizing free tools for marketing and monetization.

Guest Bio: Nicole Borghi is an innovator in virtual events and new technology, with a background in working with speakers and podcasters. She is experienced in leveraging digital platforms and virtual reality technology to create successful virtual events.

Key Points Discussed:

– (02:10) The potential of virtual events, use of Web 3 and virtual reality, and the importance of collaboration and uniqueness in the business world.

– (11:45) Strategies and structures for crafting virtual summits, building communities, and maximizing sponsorships and revenue.

– (22:30) Key advantages of virtual events, including the ability to create stages without physical travel and accommodating participants’ comfort levels.

– (32:15) Overcoming challenges faced by podcasters and speakers in creating virtual events, such as finding their own stage and monetization.

– (44:20) Accessibility and flexibility of virtual events, integrating Silicon Valley’s research into healing practices, and the potential for coaches and speakers to create their own virtual spaces.

Main Quote: “It’s not about copying others, it’s about finding uniqueness and collaborating in virtual events and networking.” – Nicole Borghi

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Transcript
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Hello, everybody, and, welcome back. This is the creative collaboration

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show with Chuck Anderson, and this is the show where we serve business owners

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and entrepreneurs, coaches, course creators, whatever

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type of business you might be in. And we talk about

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strategies for, growing your business. The reality of

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every business is you need more leads and you need more sales, need

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more exposure. And, you know, a great way to do

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that is through virtual events. And anyone

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who's been to my workshops and has worked with me knows that,

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our primary method of list building and

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client acquisition is through virtual events. And my guest

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today is not only experienced with

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virtual events, but is an innovator in some new

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technology that's gonna make virtual events

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even easier and more interesting than ever

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before. So, today, I have Nicole Borghi with me,

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and we are going to be diving deep into this, idea of

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virtual events and, all of the ideas that she has. So, Nicole,

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welcome to the show. Hey. Thanks for having me, Chuck. It's good to be here.

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I love that you're here, and I know this has been a long time coming.

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We've been we've been definitely wanting to do this for a while. So, Nicole,

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I I don't like to butcher people's, introductions, so I

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won't. I will get you to, start by letting

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everybody know a little bit about, you know, yourself, your background, and, you know,

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how that led you to virtual events. Well, you

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know what? My my background now

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is is basically working with speakers and podcasters

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know, you know,

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where do I get a stage, how do I get a stage, and and being

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in front of people and showing up. And

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that's really standing out and shining for the most part of it

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and and sharing with people, you know, hey. My

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business is the digital diva. So working on digital

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platforms, and that that that really

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came from the the discovery of of

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kinda messing up. You know? The mess became the message,

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and and how did I find out this path

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was was in the background just trying to get on YouTube

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or Instagram and and playing around on social

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media and realizing, you know what? I learned all this,

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and I took all these courses and classes. And the best thing for me

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was to share my knowledge. And I started showing

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people, hey. Look. I made this slip up. Maybe I can make this

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better for you, and and being able to to take this

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with me anywhere. And virtual events are amazing because you

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can do them on your phone or you can do them on your laptop. And

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so traveling around just in even in the continental

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United States. You could do it from anywhere however you want.

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You know, we were joking before this episode that, you know, in today's marketplace,

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and and virtual events is that we we only have to we

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only have to, get dressed and and and look good

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from from from here up. And I know that's even changing,

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with some of the technology. So, you know, what are some of the

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the the virtual events that, you know, you've been part of, and what what have

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you seen that is, really working out there in terms of

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virtual events? Well, the the the fun is getting

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to the point that we are now, and you can create

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your own stages. So you don't have to go to public. You don't have to

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fly anywhere. You don't have to worry about something closing down. You don't have to

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worry that you packed your toothbrush and that you're gonna you know, you got coffee

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breath or whatever next to the the person next to you or, you know, you

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you forgot your bottom half of your suit or something.

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And and, you know, just travel just really wears on you if

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you're doing it for business because it's go go go go go, and you

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never really get to that point of the vacation where you think you're gonna take

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a few hours, head to the beach, or something like that. It doesn't

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always work out as planned, and virtual events don't

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either, but you can kinda fudge it just a little bit because, you know, VCs

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what's going on beyond the stages. And and you can

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get a bit more participation. And you don't have to worry about

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that that person in the front of the audience, and the the fun is now

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that that we get to do we get really get to gamify the events

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into the virtual space of web 3. And and to

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really innovate that at this point is is like, hey. Yes.

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We could still do Zoom. It's great. It works. It's

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wonderful. It's simple, and I really love, you know, the

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acronym, KISS. Keep it simple stupid. Really keeping

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it easy and, you know you know, bringing

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that forward. We launched last year in October

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for, domestic violence awareness month. I work with a

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nonprofit called confronting domestic violence. And

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the great thing on the virtual space in virtual reality

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was a few of the people that we were working with weren't quite

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ready to show their face or to be seen. And talk about not

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being able to be seen or heard, it's even harder if you're

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hiding. And the ability to bring,

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women and men into virtual reality. And if they want

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to, they could still show show their face just like Zoom. We have a little

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bubble, but the reality is is you

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need to respect and know who your customers

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are, and how do you do that? So this this is it's it's

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exciting for me because you could still make money, you could still

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generate income, and we can respect the people that we work with

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and allow them to show themselves or not show

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themselves coming to character. You can, you know, come in a furry furry

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suit if you want and identify however you want, and and

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that's the great thing of this. And you don't have to brush your hair or

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your teeth, and you could just throw the don't have to have a camera or

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a headset, and it's just just show up. Click a link, and

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there you are, and be your best self, and then generate from that. And it

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it's it's great for the audience and and all ages,

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really, in that space, and we're not forgetting the group of

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people that are coming up. A lot of times, you know,

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in 2020, we had issues with at Toastmasters

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with teaching someone that was 85 and teaching someone that was

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23 how to unmute. And how did how many times do we

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forget that? We had a little bit of an issue when we started.

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And and it it it's just, you know, it's how to

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use these tools. And the simplicity is if you show up, you

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take a breath, and just pull the trigger. You know? And there

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you are. And and it's as simple as that, and you don't have to make

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it difficult. And here you are, and the great thing is is you can edit

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it. Oh, exactly. Especially when

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you're putting the recording out there and and, all of that.

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So, so I like this idea of of virtual reality,

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and I know you've been working on this with some of your partners. What what

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is you know, what led you to this, what led you to this,

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discovery and taking virtual events, you know, to to

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to this level? Well, the the the great thing is is it's

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here. The great thing is is it's easy, and I'm a

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Silicon Valley baby. So I was born in the seventies, raised

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up in the eighties. And what AAA group of years where

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Silicon Valley was building and growing, we had those big, huge, 10 and a half

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inch floppy disk, you know, the the big fish kinda thing. But they were

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huge. They were ridiculous. Your computer took up your

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house, your, if you had a fax machine I don't know if

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anybody knows what a fax machine is, but we had to pick up the phone,

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dial, and then it was this really weird green and white stripe

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paper, and it would just print in kinda purple ink at the

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time, a big fax. And and it just cost 1, 000

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of dollars. And being around engineers and

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and people of that aspect to see these people come

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in, even, you know, doctors and scientists to

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build this at least a couple sheets of code.

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Even when I was in the police department, we

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had it. No at least a couple sheets of code. Even when I was in

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the police department, we had to know some code too. Because before

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95 hit and we got Microsoft, which was 95 was

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the the most amazing system. But teaching people in the police

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department how to kinda get on a typewriter and not dictate

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anymore. So I've seen those changes and how hard it was, and then the

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palm pilots coming. And, you know, the the thing is is

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that it it got so difficult, but it became a part of our lives.

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And technology is supposed to make things easy,

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and and seeing this, the the the

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change and the growth and now I don't have to have a headset. I

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can't see. I'm dyslexic. I get my peripheral

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vision. It just messes me up, gets me seasick. I can't do it. But I

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can talk to you just like this, and I can look at a laptop

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or I can get an app on my phone now and and,

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you know, be on the stage anywhere or watch something. And that's

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the the great thing about this is web 3 is here,

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AI is here. No. The robots aren't gonna take over the world if you don't

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let them. So the the point really even as a healer or

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a Reiki practitioner is to take this reality from

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Silicon Valley and merge it with the dimensions

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and the portals of what they're actually researching

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in Silicon Valley now, and what they've opened

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is is to share that as a healer, these are the dimensions we talked

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about. This these are the downloads of the knowledge and the

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Akashic records all into 1 space,

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and it's it's so great right now. Things are so easy. You could just get

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on and and and be a part of this. I don't have

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to code. I don't have to pay someone to code because it's ridiculous.

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And, you know, I don't know how many of your viewers have tried to run

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UE 5 and CGI. It's a mess. It's it's a lot,

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and, you know, getting into that back office and doing that, and it's

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it's, nowadays, it's

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all there, a click of a button, and it's so easy. Why not use it,

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and why not integrate this now? And

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that's the point of really changing this to virtual stages

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for podcasters and speakers because now you can sell all your goods

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and wares and affiliate that in joint venture,

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and it's profitable. And it's cheap,

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so why not do it? There you go. Well and so

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you just mentioned podcasters and speakers, who is primarily who you're

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working with. What are you noticing in terms of the ones that you're talking

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to, the ones that are coming to you for help, in terms

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of, the opportunity to maybe have their own

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stage or to to create virtual events. What are you hearing from

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them? What are the challenges that they're having? And and then how how

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do, you know, how do you help them to overcome that?

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Oh, great questions because, you know, my

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my podcast is called just that pain point. Mhmm. And

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and it's really understanding the pain point of where someone

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is at, and that's 1 is definitely finding your

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own stage. If you're a speaker and a podcaster, where do

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I start? How do I start? Maybe you have a following

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and you're a coach and you're bringing that in. Why not bring your people to

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you and and use that virtual space to share

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with them, everything you have? And it's an immersive

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marketing, factor of getting that. And and,

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also, the other thing is really profit, which

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leads to, you know, the monetization and sponsorship is a is a is

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a second 1 of of a pain point for a lot of my my

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customers or people I network with is, how do I monetize

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this? And, Chuck, you talk about affiliation, which has sent me down this big rabbit

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hole, which is amazing. And I so appreciate that

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because it has changed the workspace, and it has changed

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how I do anything that I do because I don't

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have to pay $3, 000 to do a YouTube ad,

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which goes nowhere and nobody watches it and people just click and nothing

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happens. There's no return. With affiliation, my group,

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my tribe will share me, and they can get a little bit of the

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money on the back end. And it's so wonderful because, you know,

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now we're crafting a community. And and that that that third

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thing is right now, another pain point is

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generating leads, and it's as easy as affiliation in

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itself. You share affiliation, you share a link, and you

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you get all that email content. We we sold ourselves,

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you know, some some people I know say, and and I just say it,

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is kinda sold your soul to the the devil of Facebook. You gave

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all your information away, but yet Facebook shut you down. They took

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took all your crew, and I remember about, I wanna say it's

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about probably 5, 10 years ago, people 20, 000

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members on Facebook groups, and people just lost everything. They had no

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backup. In the virtual space, when you create your own,

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so, quote, unquote world in there and you're building your own

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stages, those are your people. When you affiliate and you generate

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leads, through a freebie or a lead magnet,

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you get those emails, and those are people who subscribe to you. They're

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not getting sold to you. They're subscribing because they want to, and what

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an energetic exchange that is it raises the extra

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frequency, like, phenomenally. Mhmm. You

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know, all of the the things that you just mentioned are all

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the reasons why I have really adopted

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virtual events in my business. I

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run workshops and webinars every single month.

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Soon, it'll be every single week. And then

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and then bigger events like summits and and, you know,

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virtual conferences and and things like that. And 1 of the

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you know, to to your point about, you know, affiliate

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is that when it comes to having other

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people promote your event for you and filling your event for you,

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there's no easier way to do that than through other people's

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lists. And they want to promote it. I mean,

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affiliates love to promote events, and it is a nice

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easy thing for them, you know, to ask an affiliate to do.

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And so you can set up this really cool virtual event, which is gonna help

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you to, like you said, grow your list and and, you

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know, develop a relationship with the audience and

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sell whatever, you know, services or product that you're selling.

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But it also makes it very easy for affiliates to promote because it's

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an event, and it's cool, and it's got a date and, you know, a deadline

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built into it. And and so these are all the things that we love about

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it. And so I know that, so

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that you're you're definitely, innovating in terms of

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how how virtual events are are done. But what are some of the,

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what are some of the typical types of events that that you

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are working with with your with your clients and the people who come to you

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for help that are really, getting them some great results?

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So some of the events can be as small as just a podcast. That's

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that's an event and sponsorship, and it runs on that that same

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premise and the same strategy. So all the logistics are kind

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of the same on the back end. But creating that

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and having speaker stages. So just, you know, virtual

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summits for people to come on the stage, you know,

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and and working into even networking. So we're working with

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that as well. There have been, you know, NFT

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crypto events, where people are having their groups in there

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and and they're sharing information, And it's a it's

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a fun way to listen to stuff that you're not necessarily

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gonna engage in, but if you gamify it on this this

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platform, more people will engage in money and

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NFTs, because it's it's something good to

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learn. And and, you know, we have, you

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know, domestic violence awareness and we're I'm working,

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with a nonprofit in for October again to do a

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gala and to stream, on the virtual space and

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and to create that content. So we're working on those events,

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and and it's just great to kinda share and network

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because all at the bottom of that, everybody's got that

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same pain point of, you know, that immersive marketing and branding

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where they really want to get out and get in there. And and

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it's just kind of like when you get those 3 pain points

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and and you start to understand what that is and how that works on the

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simplest, in the simplest form, you can

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bring that into a stage and and and sharing that.

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So, you know, just virtual summits and really sharing with people how to

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go beyond the stage and and what's that next thing that you can

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harness those virtual, events for. So everything now

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is just a virtual event. You know, anything that

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we do is a virtual event. So if, you know, if you think

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about it without getting too deep into it and and the technology on it,

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the this at the at the lowest point of that up to the the the

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highest peak

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of creating your own tribe and your own spaces. So sharing with

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coaches how they can have their own space, and it works for every,

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platform that they utilize. Yeah. I think that's a great lead

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into talking a little bit more about your virtual event, and you practically

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said the title of it right there in just what you said. But I

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think that's a good point to insert this, because I think anyone

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listening in who's kind of curious about virtual events and

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how they can use it to generate leads and more sales and more visibility

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in their business, should really check this out and

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go, go spend some more time with you, diving deep into

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this and start thinking about and planning how they can,

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either uplevel their current events or or start doing events if they're

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not doing already. Like you said, creating their own stage. So

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tell everybody about your your your your webinar, your

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event, and, you know, what it is and what they

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will learn when they're there. Well, thanks for for that.

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My webinar is going to be, beyond the stage and how to

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go beyond the stage. It's really it's called beyond the stage harnessing the power

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of virtual reality summits from Zoom on.

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And and that's really sharing with people

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the, how how to you know, really the

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strategy and how to

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structure the event. So that's crafting the the

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killer virtual summits and building thriving communities and

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maximizing sponsorships and revenue streams that continue and have

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continuity, for your business. When you are

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able to craft it once and get that strategy down, it's rinse

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and repeat. So it's really sharing how the disc the

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discovery of how to transform your passion for virtual

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summits into profitable ventures. They're not highly

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cost. They don't cost a lot to run. And, you

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know, you can you can even take the video

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and and and share with people how to monetize off the

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video of that and tickets. So it it it's

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wrapping those blue bulletproof strategies,

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for the client and and sharing those those buzzworthy

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summits that people wanna go to, sharing those information, getting

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speakers. And and it's just those steps of

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of learning, and and sharing the technology and

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the strategy to empower, everyone to be able

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to to really just knock it out of the park. You have these tools

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with you. Some of them are free. Utilize them and and

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just, you know, harness that power. And, you know, how do you how do you

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get that launch out there? How do, you know, how do you craft it? And

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it we all have everything in our box. How do we take

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those little folders out, and where can we use the information that we

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already have? And it's just, you know, even down to tips

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for sponsorships and marketing, and the affiliation is 1 of

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them. I mean, we just dropped those bombshells a couple of times. Those are rider

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downers. You you you know, when you affiliate, you're generating

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leads, and now you can generate sponsors because people know

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that you have these really cool summits that you've launched. They're

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gonna wanna market, and you can have those banners there.

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You can put a booth in in the virtual space, and now you

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can market. And so you're generating income, and people are being

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seen and heard. And when you have a community

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and a tribe that you have and they're supporting you, they wanna know how to

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support you, and they'll show up every time. And they'll

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continue. It's the continuity in the rinse and repeat on it.

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That sounds amazing. Well, anyone listening in right now, if

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you're not already itching to look for where you can register,

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you're gonna find that link right beneath this video. If you're watching this

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on video or on YouTube. The link is right there.

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And if you're listening to this on podcast, of course, if you go

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into the, into the player, whatever network

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you're listening to this on, the link is there in the

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notes as well. That will take you to the goals page where, you know, all

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it takes is a name and an email address, and you're in. And,

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these are, these are events and webinars that, Nicole is

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running regularly, and you can, you can check it out and

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learn, more from Nicole there. And so,

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Nicole, other than registering for your webinar, which I think is

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AAA great next step, what what would you say are some of the

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next steps or, things people should

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be thinking about in terms of harnessing the power of virtual

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events? Well, in those next steps and come to the

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webinar, it's free. Right? You can learn a little something or share you

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know, you know, get your get your learn on in there and just

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engage. You know, what once you engage in this and

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you're creating your own stage, you're birthing your own

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product and service into the world, and you're sharing that great

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energy. And and you can use this user friendly platform

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and reshare it. And how fantastic is that? Because who do you

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know, like, and trust, and how can you share this? So what's the next

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step of that? Utilize that magic that you have and

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really just come on the stage and get seen, get heard, get

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noticed. Absolutely. So

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pardon me. So,

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yeah, time well spent, and, you know, I think we could we could

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probably spend hours really talking about, you know, all of the

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things that you can do now to plan a virtual event and to

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execute a virtual event and to even make it really cool.

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Because like you said, some of the new, you know, technologies such as web

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3 and virtual reality, are really kind of taking it to

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the next level, and people are now sort of

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discovering this this world outside of

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Zoom. And, even for myself, I mean,

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I do a lot of events, and they're all through Zoom, but it's so cool

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to see what is possible and and and what can be

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done. So so I really appreciate you you sharing

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that. And, I you know, definitely looking forward to checking out

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your your webinar and learning more, about that.

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Now before I let you go, right, because III have to

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ask because, I started this bit of a social experiment,

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at the beginning of this podcast where, I

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started asking my guests for a must read book recommendation.

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A lot of the same, books. But what happened was almost

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every guest, few exceptions, very, very few duplication,

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but almost every guest has had their

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own recommendation that we had not received from a previous

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guest. And, you know, we're almost a 100 episodes into this,

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and that has has been true. So I wanna ask

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you, since we're speaking to, you know, business

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owners and entrepreneurs and coaches and consultants and

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speakers, you know, are always trying to take their their their

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business and their lives to the next level. And so

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much great information is is is written in books. I wanted to ask

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you if you had 1 book that you

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would recommend that everyone put on their must read

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list, which 1 would you recommend? I would recommend The Art of

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War by Sun Tzu. Mhmm. And and I I read that from the

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academy on in through law enforcement, and

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and the wonderful thing about that book is it teaches leadership,

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and it teaches you to identify, and

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plan ahead, but it also teaches you to identify your enemy. And

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when you identify your enemy or in our world of networking

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and being speakers and podcasters, we can get a little bit jealous

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of the other influencer in the room or the person that

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has cool stuff that we don't. And when you know that

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enemy and how they they work or or talk

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or run their business, you know how to plan

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the competition. And and and so taking a little bit

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of the knowledge of what they do well and what they do that fails.

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And and so take the success and take the failures and combine those and

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learn from that and move forward, and then you can conquer

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that enemy or even the enemy within on a soul level that we have that

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little sabotager. Wow. Great

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book recommendation. And,

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definitely, our streak is alive because no other guest has

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has recommended that book. But I love not only the book recommendation,

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but why you recommend it. And I you know, that just

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speaks to me on so many levels. You know, I see it all the time.

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I attend a lot of virtual networking events, and

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you kind of you can kind of see the reaction of people

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when they get into a breakout room or they get into a virtual event,

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and they perceive someone as being their direct competitor

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or doing the same thing that they they do. And

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nobody really does the same thing that

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that that that another person does. I mean, there is uniqueness there

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if you, are willing to look for it. There's collaboration

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potential if you are look willing to look for it. But this whole you

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just can you can just see the you know, going into the turtle shell

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and and, like, it's like, wow. They're already sharing, and I loved

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their message. Mine is not gonna be as good as that 1,

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and all of that. So do you see that out there as well?

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I I see it a lot. My background is really in leadership

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and in commanding. And so, you know,

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in that management and those super advisory roles, it's

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reading that body language and and and seeing that

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people just they do. They they go in their turtle shell and they

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crouch down and they get scared. Hey. Take a second. Turn off your

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camera. Take a breath. Turn it back on and come into the room.

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You know? Be there. Know, like, and trust people. You don't

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you you you can't know if they're better or not unless you talk to

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them, and you teach that all the time. You know, you've gotta get to know

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people and get into those breakout rooms. And, you know, it it

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can be exhausting, but as an and as an energy worker,

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you you you can read through that energy and not not be on that

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empathic where you're taking all their negative energy and, you know, letting

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them suck all your your good juju out, but really sharing

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the how do you what what are they doing? How

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are they holding themselves, and how are you holding themselves? How are you

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mirroring that energy? And and and just it shows up on

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Zoom whether you like it or not. It really does. Yeah.

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You III can see it, and IIII love

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watching people's reactions. And, you know, for me, I just think

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that 1 of the best things I ever did in

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my business to kinda develop that confidence in. It doesn't matter if

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another, marketing consultant's in the room, another

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even affiliate manager is in the room. It doesn't

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matter because there's always a way to collaborate. I was at an

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event yesterday where almost everyone at the event were

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people who do what I do. And and and so

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then the the you know, it's an opportunity to say, how

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can we all help each other do

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better at what we do? It's not like, oh, you do the same thing I

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do, and so, you know, like, you know, we're, you know, we're,

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you know, we're gonna avoid each other when we're out there, but it's not how

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can we work together to, you know, lift both of our businesses up?

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And it's something really cool when you get into a room of

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30 people who do something very similar to what you

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do and and and then to come out of there with those opportunities.

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And and so it's all in a different way of looking at that. And that's

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why, you know, your book recommendation really speaks to me because,

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you know, people may judge the title, but when you when

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you actually really get in there and see what is being said,

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it's it's really about, you know, understanding.

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And and and when you understand, then you

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can make better decisions. Right? And so A 100%. Instead of

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getting in the hate, understand why that person does what they do

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or how they do or what what knowledge and what education

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and experience they bring to the table. And you know what?

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There's so many people that either you can take their course and take their

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coaching if they are really phenomenal and just,

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just knock it out of the park. When they're the rock star, go with

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it. Maybe there's something you can learn from them. You know,

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don't copy and paste what they do and just think you're gonna show

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up, you know, spitting and talking about the same

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same subject and using the same terminology. Don't steal it from

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someone. But when you know your enemy and you know yourself,

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and and they can be 1 and the same psychologically, But

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when you know that, you have better business. And sometimes, maybe that

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just means turn off the phone for a minute when you're done and and look

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at what you have, what you've developed, and where you've come. Those

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that person might have years of experience. I mean, I wouldn't say, hey.

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I'm I'm the affiliate queen and and run Chuck's

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stuff and and do all that. I'm gonna say, hey, I learned from Chuck. Go

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to Chuck. He's phenomenal. He's amazing. Go

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learn from Chuck. Do you know, learn what he does and then just take it

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and bring it up the next level. And that that's just it

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it takes a bit. And it it was hard for me to start

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networking because I was used to telling people what to do and what not to

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do, and now I had to listen and and

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learn. And that's where that book comes in and reading it again

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year after year to say, okay. What am I looking for? Know my

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surrounding. Understand where I'm at. Understand

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what I'm doing. Drink a little extra coffee. Have some breakfast. Be

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alive. Be awake. And and and be there,

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in in that that room. But, you know, but don't be the, you

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know, don't be the welcome mat and let everybody rub their feet over

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you and take advantage of what wonderful products you have. And

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that's where it comes in with doing virtual events is the amazing part of that

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is I I can come to the event, show up for a

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few minutes, and then go do what I have to do or take a break,

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do some yoga, do some meditation afterwards. And

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then, you know, I don't have to be there, and that's the difference

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between a live event and a virtual event. All that drama

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that goes on behind the scenes, things that fail, stuff

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that falls apart, friends we have or people we thought we knew,

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and, you know, you see them in a convention or a hotel,

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totally different after hours. But here,

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you know those you know each other and you're safe and you're

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comfortable. And just think, you can always turn it

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off. And and that's the thing. You can always turn it off, or

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you can show up just for 5 minutes. Anybody can. And that's the

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beauty of this is you have the control, and you can take the power back.

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So true. Well, this has been a great episode. We've talked a lot

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about virtual events, and, we talked about Nicole's webinar.

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If you haven't already registered, click the link right beneath this video.

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Go ahead and register for that, workshop right now. Or

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if you're listening to this on podcast, it's gonna be right there in the, in

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the player in the show notes for this episode. The link

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to Nicole's workshop and webinar is all right

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there. So, Nicole, thank you so much for your time and just,

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everything that you've shared today. It's been amazing. If you were to leave

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our guests here today with just 1 final piece of advice or words of wisdom,

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what would you say? Just do it.

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Go to the website and register. No. But just just do it.

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Start somewhere. Start it start it today. Get on your virtual

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space and get out there. Take advantage of it. Absolutely.

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That is great words to, end this episode by. So,

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Nicole, thank you so much. To our audience, thank you

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also, and I want this time that you've just spent with us

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us to mean something. I want you to take something that you

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learned today, and, it could and

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and it could be 1 of the tips Nicole shared. It could be even just

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go register for her webinar. I want you to identify 1

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action step that you can take, and then just go do it. Just go do

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it because that's how we make progress.

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And, it doesn't matter what the obstacles are. Just keep moving

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forward. Keep taking those steps towards your your big

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dream, your goal, whatever it is that you're in pursuit of. And,

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the only way to fail is to quit. And until

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next time, this is, been the Creative Collaboration Show. I'm Chuck

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Anderson. We'll see you on the next episode, everybody. Thank you.

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