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If you’re a business owner struggling with the tech in your business, specifically around funnels, and email, or if your website isn’t selling, then this episode is definitely right for you. 

Our guest today is Carolyn Choate. She helps coaches sell more books, courses, and programs by setting up a system that does the selling for them in the background, freeing up time for the work they really love. She helps entrepreneurs set up their sales funnel bringing more traffic to their websites.

Join us in this episode as Carolyn Choate talks about her expertise and how collaboration plays an important role in sustaining her business. She shares the challenges and inconsistencies her clients are having which she’s helping them with. She also talks about helping entrepreneurs with what to do after a book launch to keep growing their businesses.  

Tune in till the end and learn how “the more specific, the better” help you in niching down to your zone of genius in order to let people really know who you’re for. 

Visit Carolyn’s Website: https://www.financiallyfreeauthor.com/

Carolyn’s Book Recommendation: The Slight Edge by Jeff Olson

Get Carolyn’s short ebook about book funnels: https://financiallyfreeauthor.com/ebook

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Transcript
Carolyn Choate:

The more specific the better. And this applies so much to the niche idea. We, we want to appeal to everybody, we want to be broad, but the broader you are, the less people feel like you're speaking to them. And when you're writing a poem, you want somebody to relate to it. So you try to be real vague in general. But that doesn't move anybody. It doesn't hit them emotionally when you're describing like, the hair was brown, and curly. And it doesn't matter that somebody who's reading it doesn't have brown curly hair, they relate to it when you bring in that very specific details and sensory things. And so learning that gave me this basis of understanding that niching down is very powerful.

Chuck Anderson:

Hey, it's Chuck here, and I'm so glad that you're listening to this episode. And I just want to take this quick moment right now to let you know about our free collaborators toolkit. And this episode is all about partnership and collaboration. And our guests share many resources, tools, and things that you can use to make collaboration and partnership easier in your business. So if you're looking for better ways to grow, and scale your business, through collaborations, and strategic partnerships, this free collaborators toolkit is going to contain the best resources from our workshops, as well as contributions from our guests. And these tools could be the missing link that you've been looking for. And they're going to help you to solve everyday business challenges, and access, highly effective ideas that can help and grow your business exponentially. I know they've helped me and I know they're going to help you as well. And the best part about these tools is that they're completely free. And our gift to you for being a valued member of our community, and a subscriber to the show. So you can get access to all of the resources contained inside the collaborators toolkit today by visiting the website at WWW.collaboratorsunite.com/toolkit. That address again is www.collaboratorsunite.com/toolkit. Go ahead and register today get access to all the resources, and I'm gonna see you on the inside. Now, here's the episode.

Chuck Anderson:

Hello, everybody. And welcome back to The Creative Collaboration Show, Chuck Anderson here. And this is the show where we inspire you to grow your business by no longer being a solopreneur and trying to do everything yourself. But to embrace the idea that by collaborating and partnering and working with others, you can grow your business much, much faster than you can on your own. And so we've got another great guests here for you today, especially if you've ever struggled with the tech in your business, and specifically around websites, funnels, shopping cards, payment systems, email, and all of the above, then you're definitely in the right place, because my guest today is Carolyn Choate. And she is definitely an expert in that field and someone that I have worked very closely with for the last couple of years, and was actually a big part of our success and in terms of the assistance that she gave to us. So Carolyn, thank you so much for being here. And welcome to the show.

Carolyn Choate:

Oh, thank you so much. I'm really excited to get to talk to you today.

Chuck Anderson:

That's awesome. Yeah, and we don't talk that much anymore. We used to talk much more frequently. But this is what happens when you you you do awesome things. Your Business explodes the way yours has. And and you really kind of found that niche of helping people especially with all of the things I mentioned, their tech, their marketing, all of that. So you know, that's my introduction. And I always try to keep the introductions fairly light. So how about have you tell your story, you introduce yourself to everyone who you are what you do, and we'll go from there.

Carolyn Choate:

Oh, awesome. All right. Well, as you mentioned, I'm Carolyn, and I absolutely love tech and sales funnels, which was an unexpected discovery because I have a degree in poetry and creative writing. And I was the black sheep of my family because I was doing the creative stuff and my family are all scientists and IT people and And so it was like, Okay, I I'm not a business person, I'm not an entrepreneur, I'm not a tech person. And I had those stories in my head. And I floundered for so long in life just feeling like there's nothing I'm good at, there's nothing I enjoy. I'm an entitled millennial brat who does not do real work. And so when I finally discovered that I loved sales funnels, it was like the heavens parted, it felt so amazing, to finally be good at something, enjoy something. And now I get to do work that I absolutely love and support my family doing it, which is just like I am living the dream.

Chuck Anderson:

And that is the dream for a lot of people. That's exactly why a lot of people start their businesses because they're looking for a better life for them and their and their family. And, you know, finding that groove finding that thing that you really enjoy is a process, we wish that we could just wave the magic wand and everything was instantly clear. And and there is clared there, there is a magic wand, so to speak, but and that is deciding what you want to do, and taking action towards it. And then it will manifest which is exactly what it has done for you. So it's really, really cool. And and so we want to talk a little bit about that. So So what are you noticing is the some of the challenges and the problems that when a first time client or a soon to be client first reaches out to asking for help? What are you noticing them ask you for?

Carolyn Choate:

I think they usually feel like they're not sure if their website is working for them. A lot of times they don't think in terms of funnels, or maybe they've heard the word funnel, but they're not really sure what it is or if they need one. But they've been told they should have a website, and then they don't know what they're supposed to really put on it or how to know whether it's doing its job.

Chuck Anderson:

Yeah, and that's, that's a very common, you know, fear. It's like I have this website, I have this I have that. I don't know if it's even working. And and so that is a very, very common question. And so anything else that you're noticing people come to you with some of the problems and the struggles that they are experiencing?

Carolyn Choate:

Yeah, I think low sales and the kind of roller coaster feeling that I too have experienced of the up and down inconsistency. And just the feeling of being scattered that there's a lot of stuff all over the place, and they're always creating new stuff. And then they don't know where it fits, and everything feels kind of bloated. And we don't know what to do with it all,

Chuck Anderson:

Mhmm. Now I know you've been doing some work with book authors and such. Is that primarily who you're working with? Or is there other groups? Who are you noticing come into your world asking for this help?

Carolyn Choate:

Yeah, that is true, I have narrowed in on mostly helping coaches and speakers who have published a book or contributed to a multi author project. Because as all of us, I am an author myself, we get very focused on that launch. And we never think about, well, what happens after the launch, I think we get in our minds that if we just have a big enough launch, then it just takes care of itself for all time. And that is just absolutely not the case. So I've started to develop doing funnels and websites for people's books to help them get more from their book that they invested in and to use it to introduce their other offers and programs.

Chuck Anderson:

Yeah, that's a good point. Because I mean, if you think about the average price of a book, I mean, what is it like, you know, 20 $30, if you're lucky, it could be more, but probably the average price is is $30 or less. And so, you know, you got to sell a lot of books, you know, to make a full time income at that. So are you noticing authors ramping up to the volume where that is that is true, or are they having to create other things on the on the back end after the book?

Carolyn Choate:

Oh, yeah, for sure. I would say the book is not really meant to sell. It's not there to make you money. I mean, it's meant to sell but it's not meant to make you money. It is that loss leader. It's that thing that gets people into your world. So this is one of the reasons why I tend to work with nonfiction authors rather than fiction authors, because when you're a fiction author, the book is it. So all you can do is write more books and more books and more books. And so eventually you have that volume. But with a nonfiction author, you've usually written this book around a topic that you're an expert in, and that you hopefully have coaching related to or you have a speech that you give that's related to it. And so the book becomes a great introduction. For people. It's like your brand ambassador, and it goes out and tells people more about what you believe and what you do, and it helps them to get to know you. So when you set it up on your website, without the expectation that your money is going to come from the book, then you can use email and getting to know people to help guide them towards your other offers. And they have already gotten to know a lot about you through your book.

Chuck Anderson:

Now are most people were coming to do they already have those other offers? Or are you having to explain this to them, and help them to create those offers?

Carolyn Choate:

No, they usually have an offer already. And I tell people, because I do these book funnels in one day, I do it as a VIP day. So

Chuck Anderson:

One day, that sounds pretty awesome.

Carolyn Choate:

It's super fast. So I tell people, the only thing they need to bring with them is they need to have a PDF of their book, we're not going to give away the whole book, we're going to give a teaser, but that teaser out of the PDF, and they need to have an offer that they want to lead people towards. So they gotta have that ahead of time before scheduling the day. Because by the end of the day, they're going to have a working book funnel that is selling an offer. So I have you know, I collaborate with a lot of people to fill in the other pieces there. Because all I do is build that funnel, I write the copy, I design the images, I hook it all together, I write the emails. So it's a lot of stuff, but it's not figuring out your offer. And it's not figuring out your social media. So I have other people that I recommend for those pieces.

Chuck Anderson:

Hmm. Well, you mentioned the word collaborate, which is a great segue into the theme of our show. And, you know, we believe and we want to inspire people to collaborate more and to look for partnerships and a way to work together. And I mean, first question I have for you is how has collaborating with others played a role in growing your business.

Carolyn Choate:

It has been so pivotal, so important, because I was trying to do all the things myself and burning myself out and feeling like, Oh, I gotta do these pieces that I don't like, like, I don't want to launch books. I've done that. I've been there, I self published my own novel, I've done launches, I don't like it. But I felt like well, if I'm going to be offering a book funnel, I've got to also have book launches, right? I've got to also have social media management to bring people into that funnel. So it was a long process of narrowing in and sorting to kind of realize that this is the one piece that I'm good at, and that I want to do. And there are other people who are great and do these other things. And I can have a relationship with them, oftentimes in affiliate relationship where they can bring clients to me, and I can send clients to them, and we each benefit from it. So it's like, that's a way better way to

Chuck Anderson:

No. Yeah, absolutely. Well, I love you know, I love that you said that you sort of narrowed it down to that one piece that you're really good at. And, you know, I've had countless conversations with entrepreneurs and business owners that really struggle with that they try to do everything and be everything that their client wants or needs. And, you know, it's something that I learned very painfully. I won't even say at the beginning of my journey, it's more a wombs more than middle, the journey, just because I'm stubborn like that. But you know, this whole idea of being everything to everyone is it's exhausting. And when you just find that one thing, that one thing that you are the best at and do that. What it what it was for me is it seemed like it just became so much easier. Is that what you noticed as well?

Carolyn Choate:

Sure, and a lot of that had to do with your advice to because we were talking and and you were giving me counsel and you know, it felt it felt like I was in a fog. I was so mired down and confused. So yeah, like you said, once I finally hit on the thing, it was just like, everyone around me understood who to refer to me. You know, everybody suddenly understood what I was offering and who it would benefit and was a Well to speak about it with other people bring other people to me. So the clarity has been incredible. It's so worth it.

Chuck Anderson:

Hmm. So then you don't have to worry about things that you aren't your favorite thing to do, or that, and maybe that you aren't within your zone of genius and

Carolyn Choate:

I negate my weaknesses, these VIP days. It sounds like it's for your benefit as the client. But it's really because I struggle with consistency and follow through. So I'll just do it all at once. And then it mitigates my biggest weakness.

Chuck Anderson:

I think there's so much wisdom in that as well, in terms of, of implementing what a client hires you to do. I mean, we Why do we spread it out over numerous weeks? Well, usually, because there's a client load, and it's like, we meet once a week, and then there's tasks and then we build upon the previous week. And in the coaching business, we would typically do that. But I think in the done for you service business, there's, I really liked what you're doing, and that doing it all in one day, because why does it need to be spread out over weeks and weeks and weeks, so you do the prep? And it sounds like now you're just getting it all implemented in one day, which is, which is super cool. So how does this work now with the collaboration, so you're, you're, you know, you're focusing in on your zone of genius, and which is really the funnel and all of that and getting that built? So you leave the end of that day with that done? And so So are there do you have like other team members, or like other people that you work with that bring in other pieces? How does that work?

Carolyn Choate:

I don't have official team members, but I have a follow up care. So you'll get resources and emails, you'll get recommendations, I have somebody who does done for you social media content. So if you want to just not worry about any of it, you can go to him. I've got somebody who teaches you how to do social media. And I have people who do book launches. So that's sort of more at the at the beginning, although you could use it afterwards. Because it's never too late to launch a book. Books used to have a shelf life, but they really don't anymore. So you can always relaunch. So yeah. And then I have like a downloadable booklet that I give people that has resources and information about how to bring people to the funnel. So yeah, I'm very, I'm very proud of what I put together.

Chuck Anderson:

Yeah, this sounds awesome. So So you build the funnel. And then you've got this, the these other partners or collaborators that you recommend based upon what your client needs. That's pretty cool. So that allows you to just focus on what you do best. Now, let's say someone asks you for something or you identify a piece of the puzzle that really isn't going to be fulfilled by you, you're you're staying in your lane, and then but there's another need that creeps up and you want to you know, find a find that piece, where do you go looking for that? What's your go to method for? When you know that you need a collaborator or a partner in a certain area of your business? what's your what's your go to method for finding them and connecting with them?

Carolyn Choate:

Well, I've been really blessed to have a huge network of people that I know at this point. And that was, I guess that was a lot of upfront work of I joined probably five different groups that do networking. And I've been going to networking events multiple times a week, you know, at least five networking events every week over zoom. Do like JV directory speakers play house podcast collaboration. So Oh, and success champion network. That one's been a great one for me. So yeah, now I have all those people that I've been meeting over the last several months. So now if I need a specific person, there's lots of people that I can reach out to and say, Hey, do you know somebody who's really good at this?

Chuck Anderson:

Yeah, that's really cool. And I would say that's where I've had really good success as well as attending the various networking groups. And I know we've definitely bumped into each other on some of the same ones. I run one of them and but there's these other ones as well. In fact, you mentioned a couple that I don't think I've attended. So I'm gonna definitely check those out. And maybe just as a resource, we'll put some links to those down here in the show notes because, you know, networking. You know, if you're looking for appointments or leads or just people to connect with, there's no better way to attend one of these virtual networking events. Even one of them could fill your calendar for two weeks. So Are they they, in some cases, they work too well, where I've had weeks where I'm like, Okay, I have no empty space in my calendar, because these groups work super well. So

Carolyn Choate:

I had to pull back a little bit and like, let's focus on the relationships I already have and like, make sure that those are stable and not like, more people, more people, more people.

Chuck Anderson:

Yeah, well, you and I've talked about this before, where it's like this balance between, okay, you, you, you sell your services. And then once you sell your services, you have to fulfill it. But at the same time, you have to keep selling. Because once that client is done and fulfilled, you still need, you have to have the next one ready to go. So it's this balancing act, usually, and so, so but that's cool. And it's nice that this is what I love about your VIP days, too, as well, it's going to open you up a lot more time for that network,

Carolyn Choate:

One VIP day in a week I can spend the rest of the week doing those activities to meet people to meet leads to get in front of people to make new relationships.

Chuck Anderson:

Yeah, well, that's, those are all really good suggestions. And we'll make sure we put the links down there for everybody. Because, you know, and one of the reasons, Carolyn, that I asked you, the question is that, again, our purpose is we want to inspire people not to try to do everything themselves. And I wish that somebody had pulled me aside 30 years ago, maybe even smacked me across the back of the head and said, Hey, you're doing too much yourself. You're never ever going to get to where you want to go, you're never going to reach this big vision, right? By doing everything, yourself. And we think that I'm not there yet. So I'm going to do it this way. And then when I have money, I will do it this way. Right? And that's not how it works. Because usually, when we're trying to do everything ourselves, you're you, you get those first couple of clients, and now you're busy. And it's like, okay, I got to do all the work. But oh, but I need to keep getting clients and, and so it's this juggling act. And so there's nothing more freeing than letting go of the parts that are not within your zone of genius, focusing on that one part. And either having a partnership or a team member for everything else, right?

Chuck Anderson:

Yeah.

Carolyn Choate:

And a really great thing about the collaboration is, you know, I was reluctant because I'm just starting up, I don't have the money to hire somebody. Oh, well, with collaborations. I'm not paying them. Sometimes they're even paying me for the referral. So the collaboration allows you to get this work for your client that you don't have to pay for.

Chuck Anderson:

Yeah, that's, that's amazing. Well, hopefully, we are inspiring people to, you know, let go. And in fact, that leads me to another question. I'm gonna ask, what was that letting go of all of the other stuff? Like, you know, what, narrowing down because I've had numerous conversations with people where I've made that recommendation. They're like, Yeah, but what about this? And yeah, what about that? And aren't I limiting myself too much, if I only narrow to here? So what was that? What was that process like of, you know, first of all, identifying your zone of genius, and then really narrowing it down to where that is your primary focus.

Carolyn Choate:

It was a little scary. Yeah. Luckily, I come to this with my background in poetry. And one of the biggest things that really stood out to me when I was studying poetry was that the more specific, the better. And this applies so much to the niche idea. We, we want to appeal to everybody, we want to be broad, but the broader you are, the less people feel like you're speaking to them. And when you're writing a poem, you want somebody to relate to it. So you try to be real vague in general. But that doesn't move anybody. It doesn't hit them emotionally when you're describing like, the hair was brown and curly. And it doesn't matter that somebody who's reading it doesn't have brown curly hair, they relate to it when you bring in that very specific details and sensory things. And so, learning that gave me this basis of understanding that niching down is very powerful, because people really know who you're for. And you can always be more general later. You know, it's worth trying to be as narrow as possible first and see what kind of response you get. Give it some monks go all in on that narrow niche. And if it's really not working then once up out. But chances are, you're gonna find that you know, especially because the internet, there's so many people, like when I wrote my novel that appealed to the tiniest group. And that was perfect, because it was like one of the only people writing books for that tiny group. And so it still sells today, 12 years later, because they are underserved. So it's worth at least trying to niche down.

Chuck Anderson:

Yeah, amazing. And so and it sounds like it's very freeing as well, I mean, right. And so when you really get that clarity, and you really get that focus thing,

Carolyn Choate:

and you become known for it, people saying like, Oh, you have a book, I know the person you need to talk to.

Chuck Anderson:

Exactly. Now think about, you know, when you first start your business, and you know, that constant search for clients, and where are they, but you said it right there become known for a thing, right? And that thing can change, right? You can rebrand yourself, but go out there and get known for a thing. And then the clients come to you, versus you going to go get them. So I think that's super cool. So thank you for answering the questions about that. Because, you know, it's this whole journey of business is a giant personal development exercise. And I'm of the firm belief that my business does not grow more than I'm able to grow myself. And, you know, that is mindset that is overcoming fears. It's also allowing myself to, to think bigger, and to believe things that are possible. And that over the last 30 years in business, that is actually what it's been for me. And so, so I like to ask a little bit about that, and, and inspire people not just to look for tactics and ideas to grow their business, but for ideas that can help to grow themselves. And in along the way, I have been blessed with having some really great mentors and really great coaches along the way. And so I wanted to ask you, you know, who is who is a coach or a mentor. And I know you wanted to say me, and I'm not allowing you to say that. Someone else Lenny, it has to be someone else that you recommend that other people check out and learn from.

Carolyn Choate:

I definitely have to say Jackie Simmons, familiar with her. She is a TEDx speaker, and she does a lot of work in suicide prevention. But she also teaches some absolutely amazing things in emotional regulation, and shifting your emotions, and it was absolutely life changing for me.

Chuck Anderson:

Wow, excellent. That that's a great recommendation. And, you know, one of the reasons I asked that question is, you know, it's, it reminds me of who else is out there. Sometimes, I hear about people that I haven't heard of before, but our audience as well, we want to expose them to teachers and mentors and guides that are out there doing amazing work, that they're not the famous ones. They're not the ones that you hear about every day, but they're amazing people who can help you to get what you want faster and easier than doing it on your own. So highly recommend getting a mentor getting a coach and learning from others. And, you know, my attitude is that I'm on a lifelong journey of learning. Part of that is getting information from books and there, there has been some amazing books. I'm actually reading one right now from 1925. But there's a lot of good, you know, current books as well. So I want to ask you, Carolyn, you know, if you're if you're speaking to entrepreneurs and business owners right now, and you had to recommend just one book as a must read book, which one would you recommend?

Carolyn Choate:

I happen to have it right here because I always keep it near my desk. I really love this book. It it's so encouraging because it teaches about the power of small consistent effort over time. It's called The Slight Edge by Jeff Olson, turning simple disciplines into massive success and happiness. Awesome stippling on of the word discipline, but it's like habits and and it's so encouraging because I think a lot of self help books can be overwhelming with like, well, all you got to do is think positive all the time and write five pages every morning like these huge things. And the eight fear that your small everyday tiny actions can actually begin to build up into something cumulative is just, it's a relief.

Chuck Anderson:

Yeah, you know, I really liked that you recommended this book. And it's kind of a social experiment as well, because there's been very, very few duplicates in over 60 interviews that I've done. Now, there's only been maybe three or four episodes where someone has mentioned a book that someone else has mentioned. So this list keeps growing. And it's interesting that you mentioned Jeff Olson, because I actually had the pleasure of meeting Jeff Olson in the early 90s, when I was part of a network marketing company, and he was amazing. He gives great seminars, I don't know if he still does seminars, and he's not someone that is, I would say, overly famous. I mean, you really learn about Jeff through word of mouth. Maybe you're involved in a network marketing business, and he's he's transcended that now. I mean, so much of his work is, is outside of the network marketing industry. But really, that's where I got, you know, so many great nuggets of wisdom from Him. One thing that Jeff said to me, in the mid 90s, that really stood out to me, he said that ignorance on fire is better than knowledge on ice, right? Ignorance on on fire is better than knowledge on ice. In other words, friggin go for it, man, you don't need to have all the information, you need to just go out there. You can learn as you go. And look, there's no amount of preparation that is going to make things easier, there is no amount of preparation that is going to, you know, take away the risk of failure. The only risk of failure there is is your inability to act, you know, that inability to put things into practice. So I love this Beck recommendation, Carolyn, I really appreciate you bringing up Jeff's book. I have not read that book. But it reminds me of the time that I met Jeff. So I should probably go back and read that one. So that's now on the must read list. Thank you. So Carolyn, this has been amazing. You shared some great tips here. And anyone here who is a book author, that especially nonfiction if you have written a book, and it really didn't live up to expectations, by the way you can relaunch the book, Carolyn didn't say it in this episode, you can relaunch a book should probably reach out to her. If you're writing one right now, and you need help with the marketing, again, reach out to Carolyn, or if you're thinking about a book and you're putting together that plan, probably a good idea to speak to Carolyn as well. So you can get some clarity around that. So So Carolyn, what, if anybody here resonates with that, and would like to get more information and connect with you. I know, we're gonna have the links to your thing in the show notes. And if you're watching this on video, there's going to be buttons just beneath this video. But what's the next step for them in terms of reaching out to you?

Carolyn Choate:

Well, I actually have a short ebook about book funnels. So you can book funnel while your book funneling very meta. So that is at financiallyfreeauthor.com/ebook. And I have given chuck a coupon code to make it free. So you can put that in the show notes because I forget what I put. But it's you know, 499. And it comes with some printable worksheets and a video training, some other resources just to help you understand how the funnel works, and what it's all about what it can do for you. And then of course, if you don't feel like figuring out how to put all this together yourself or take the time to do it, I can do it for you in just one day.

Chuck Anderson:

Awesome. Well, I think that's a great step, go download that ebook. And you'll see the link and the coupon code just beneath the video or in the show notes. And I'll tell you what, if you go and you do that, email me back and just with your confirmation that you've done that and I'll send you an additional free gift How about that and so you'll see the information my contact information right here beneath the video and in the show notes for the podcast episode. So that's how much I trust Carolyn, and I know you'll be in good hands and so, so hope that helps. So please do go reach out to Carolyn and again to my guest Carolyn, thank you so much for your information and and sharing your stories. We gave some really great advice for book authors today. We also got a little vulnerable and shared story worries about, you know what the entrepreneurial journey is like. So that's been amazing. And if you were to leave our audience here with just one final piece of advice or words of wisdom, what would you leave them with?

Carolyn Choate:

I would say it all works, choose something and go all in on it. I think my biggest mistake, and the mistake a lot of people make is shiny object syndrome, seeing something else and going, Oh, maybe that'll be easier. Maybe this will be better. Dig deep, where you are all of these marketing tactics work when you are bringing your all to them.

Chuck Anderson:

Very well said and excellent words to end this episode by. So Carolyn, thank you so much for being my special guests here today. And to my audience. Look, none of this makes a difference if you don't take action. So take Carolyn up on her generous offer to get to the ebook that's going to teach you how to market your book. And so go ahead and do that. And make sure you come back here for the next episode. In the meantime, never give up on your big dream, keep moving forward, keep being awesome, you're doing great, and that what you're doing is something that the world needs. And even though we've never met, I know that that's true. And I do hope that our paths cross at some point or another. And with that, we will sign off and we'll see you here for the next one.

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